TIBETAN MASTIFFS COLORADO, TIBETAN MASTIFF PUPPY RESERVATIONS IN COLORADO - INFORMATION ABOUT THE TIBETAN MASTIFF DATA BASE
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These opinions are based on my expeiences with AKC show breeders. Believe me; it was not very fun at all.
IS A TIBETAN MASTIFF RIGHT FOR ME?
You may ask yourself, is a Tibetan mastiff right for me? This is a very unique breed and their are many plus and minuses to owning one. You should consider all their characteristics before deciding on bringing a Tibetan mastiff into your home. It is a 10-15 year commitment
When I say "show" breeders; I am speaking of the "American" Kennel Club breeders. In Europe people show their own dogs and so I am not speaking of European Clubs. I think they would be just as disgusted with the "American Kennel Club" as many people here in America are if they had the same system.
BE WARY OF BREEDERS BREEDING ONE YEAR OLD UNTESTED DOGS!
IT IS HIGHLY UNETHICAL and could be a sign of a puppy mill!
What is the purpose of breeding several breeds and multiple litters?
AND CERTAINLY DO NOT PAY $1800.00 - $6000.00 FOR A PUPPY BEFOR YOU RESEARCH THE PEDIGREES! SOME PEOPLE WILL POST A LOWER PRICE AND THEN ASK FOR MORE. BE VERY CAREFUL.
BE SURE TO ASK TO SEE THE PEDIGREE OF BOTH THE SIRE AND THE DAM. GRANDPARENTS SHOULD LIST THE KENNEL NAME OF BREEDER (as example only: KESANG CAMP MAXIMUS AND KESANG CAMP BELLA RUE) IF THE NAME OF THE DAM IN THIS INSTANCE DOES NOT LIST KESANG CAMP IN FRONT OF NAME; THIS IS VREY MISLEADING TO THE BUYER. THIS MEANS THE BREEDER CHANGED THE KENNEL NAME. WHY? THIS ALSO IS HIGHLY UNETHICAL IN MY OPINION AND VERY DECEPTIVE.
Some breeders are advertising their dogs on for $2000.00 + . The Tibetan Mastiff is no longer a rare breed based
on the 10+ pages of litters advertised on Puppyfind and other sites. With such a limited gene pool, most of these puppies
have similar pedigrees.
Based on my experiences, I believe that the only way for anybody to know for sure if their dog is what the pedigree says is through DNA testing. If AKC was really serious about the "integrity" of their registry; they would require all parents to have DNA testing on file. Somehow I do not think the AKC would even consider that based on what I have seen them do. If you suspect your Tibetan Mastiff may have other breeds in it such asChow, Neopolitan Mastiff, Caucasian Shepherd Dog, etc.; there is a test to determine what they might be. Here is one link
Photo below Kesang Camps Stray Genie. Her parents are Kesang Camp Sengi X Kesang Camps Nubia whose full sister is Kesang Camps Vika. She is a Kesang Camp bred dog. Check the pedigrees of dogs you are considering to purchase. There are many different colors and looks of Tibetan Mastiffs. With so many people marketing their dogs as "special"; it is wise to do your own research. Personally, I have found that show status really does not mean anything except that the breeder spent a ton of money to buy a championship; thus passing the costs onto the consumer for show fees and handler fees. I have also formed the opinion that showing really isn't about the "better dog". It all boils down to doing your research. It is up to you to see health results, research temperaments, guarantees, breeder support, etc. and then base your decision on what your personal tastes are and not on what I consider "marketing". If you like the dog; buy it.
AKC SHOW WORLD A SCAM? I THINK SO. FOLLOW THE MONEY!
MAKING THEIR OWN MAJORS - "DEEP POCKETS" AND THE SHOW WORLD - THE SHOW WORLD ILLUSION. I'm thinking Westminster is just about the money?
When a breeder brings enough of their own dogs to a show where they know there is no competition to make their own major and get a championship for their dog. SCAM! DON'T BELIEVE THEIR MARKETING TOOLS! FOLLOW THE AKC MONEY TRAIL.
GETTING THE DOGS IN FRONT OF JUDGES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY - "CAMPAIGNERS" (GREAT ARTICLE EXPLAINS ALL ABOUT "FOLLOWING THE SHOW WORLD MONEY TRAIL!)
This is when a dog goes for months on end to shows all over the country. Doesn't matter if there is any competition because the purpose is for judges all over the country to "get an eye" on the dog and it's "well connected" handler. That way, when Eukanuba or Westminster comes up; the judges will recognize the handler and most likely that dog will win. It's all about following the money!ARE YOU GETTING A BETTER DOG? BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES THE ANSWER IT NO!
Quote from article referenced above:
Quote: "We asked Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of the Humane Society of the United States: "If I'm looking to buy a dog and I see it has been AKC-inspected, AKC-registered, does that mean I'm getting a good dog?"
"Absolutely not. It really is just a piece of paper without any value for dog welfare," Pacelle told us." UNQUOTE
BEWARE OF AKC BREEDERS/JUDGES - CORPORATE PUPPY MILLS?
PEDIGREE FRAUD – AKC STUD BOOK? and the list goes on and on.
TIBETAN MASTIFF CLUBS - ARE THEY REALLY ABOUT THE BREED?
I have noticed that the several clubs and groups formed to promote "standards" for the Tibetan Mastiff are very selective of who they admit. Someone I know recently tried to join a newly formed club called the TIBETAN MASTIFFS CULB OF AMERICA? and the "public group" changed to "closed" once the request to join was sent. Groups that "supposedly" want to "educate" new people will block people that do not go along with them for no apparent reason. This is also true of a TM rare breed club. From what I understand they require two sponsors that are members of the club to join. This is so much like high school and in my opinion just an "exclusive" club that will not allow anybody in the club unless they agree with them. All these experiences with the AKC and it's members remind me of Washington; full of corruption, exclusivity, and hand greasing!. It is never about what the club or organization is about, never about the betterment of what it is they represent; rather, only about a certain group of people getting ahead while destroying all their competition and people who get in their way. It never matters what they say, or do to others; as long as they are in "control". If you have to "squash" somebody to get ahead, what do you have in the first place? Yes, they gather all their members and set out to tell lies about others in order to "knock out" the competition, keep the prices up, and retain control. It's no different than segregation years ago when you had country clubs who only "allowed" certain groups admission. Sad but it is alive in the Tibetan Mastiff community today and it is all about money and control based on what I have experienced. While I was helping watch puppies for a breeder's family who tragically died; most of these people had gotten his breeding stock and did not care what happened to the pups. While they have been busy breeding away, I have sat back and watched the ugliness. I have learned that you cannot trust high volume breeders because they are more concerned with sales and status. You learn they "put on a very good act". I just wish I had the means and the knowledge because I would have done things so much differently. The liberals in charge of these clubs preach "tolerance" when in reality; they are the most "discriminatory" of all!. Again, I must reiterate that people these people are all about "control". When you have experienced their lies, and nasty behavior, like I have; it is crystal clear that they are not about the welfare of the dogs! So you can believe whatever you want but actions speak far more than words to me and they have all "revealed" their "true colors" and intentions to me.
As the saying goes "those in glass houses should not throw stones". The funny thing is these show people are so bent on "getting' non-show breeders; they will stoop to the lowest of means to attack them. Some of the lies they spread about non-show breeders are so ridiculous I wonder how they can take the people who make them up serious. I have met a few "nut jobs" and the most amazing thing is that the people who are supposed to be professionals actually believe them. Sight unseen. Oh well, I guess they can relate to one another and discuss meds and dogs. :) What does this say about the AKC and it's show breeders in my mind? Not much based on my direct experiences. Not much at all. Don't be taken by their marketing tools. A AKC "champion" is not a better dog,in my opinion, it is only a dog with a very wealthy owner and a well known handler based on my experiences. Just look at the dog and you will see. BUYER BEWARE!
"C"lub IS FOR "CONTROL!" SHOULD YOU GO TO A LONG TIME BREEDER?
Based on my experiences with the longest standing AKC show breeders/judges; longevity is no different in dog breedings as it is in Washington. Breeders who have made their living in the AKC show ring for years and years have learned "all the ropes" and anybody who threatens their "dog business" is seen as a threat. Back to the top of this page: are you getting a better dog from an AKC breeder? Based on what I have experienced "absolutely not"! AKC makes it's money off these dogs and anybody they are just as bad as the breeders they give their "so-called breeder of merit status". Breeder of merit? hmm? Or is it based on the breeder who can drum up more registrations, etc. I know my my experience co-owning a dog here bred by a long time California breeder / judge was the biggest mistake I ever made! And now they are trying to form clubs to control other clubs. The whole purpose to me of them doing that is to trash any non-show small time breeder whom they feel is threatening their dog selling "livelihood".
RENT 'BEST IN SHOW"; IT REALLY DOES PORTRAY THE MOST RIDICULOUS CHARACTERISTICS OF "AKC" SHOW PEOPLE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT DOES NOT SHOW THE NASTY EVIL DARK SIDE :(
I have asked AKC to remove my dogs from their registry to avoid fraudulent registrations, pedigrees, and their risk of being stolen. The AKC has refused so the only choice is to spay and neuter all my AKC registered dogs. THE AKC IS LIKE THE HOTEL CALIFORNIA - as described by this quote from a famous song: quote "YOU CAN CHECK OUT ANY TIME YOU WANT BUT YOU CAN NEVER LEAVE" Unquote. I DON'T KNOW OF Anything MORE CORRUPT EXCEPT WASHINGTON D.C.!
AKC and their corporate puppy mills. Be very wary of AKC show breeders who require you to breed your puppy in exchange for one or two puppies back. This is what was expected of me with my formerly co-owned girl bred by a large volume breeder in CA. My worst experiences with Tibetan Mastiffs began early with the ownership of my girls from "High Volume" breeders in CA and one in Wi. Big and long time breeders / AKC judges will make deals like this with unsuspecting individuals to hide all the litters they are actually having each year. Many of these breeders have several breeds and breed 3,4. and 5 litters a year as their soul income. These are what I refer to as "AKC corporate puppy mills". Based on my personal experiences; I believe they are breeding for the show ring and not for the health and welfare of the breed. Ask them how many co-owned dogs they have? How many litters between them and their co-owners? How old are the dogs in their possession? How many dogs have died in their possession, at what ages and what was the cause of death? Ask to speak to their vet? (after all, they ask you a lot of questions and you deserve to know about them) How many adult dogs have they placed and do they know their status? How many litters have they produced over the years? Do they breed dogs for a living? Personally, again, based on my own experiences, I would never support an AKC show breeder.
I saw results from a dog that had failed it's health tests on OFA. Once the results were posted (after the dog was two years old) they were changed? How does this happen? According to the OFA, the x-rays are read by three professionals. If the positioning of a dog was not correct; it seems to me that one out of three "professionals" might have noticed it and sent them back to be redone??? Show breeders have so much money riding on their dogs; I believe anything is possible with enough money
TIBETAN MASTIFF PUPPIES COLORADO
We are located approximately 40 minutes southwest of Denver, Colorado in the foothills. We are a small family kennel and all of our dogs are part of our day to day family life. Each dog has their own personality and we understand that this breed is very intelligent and has a mind all it's own.
I LIKE OTHERS BELIEVE THAT AKC "CHAMPIONSHIPS" MEAN NOTHING. WITH THE RIGHT HANDLER AND ENOUGH MONEY ANY DOG CAN WIN. BE SUSPICIOUS OF THOSE WHO DO NOT SHOW THEIR OWN DOGS. THEY PROBABLY WOULD NOT WIN WITHOUT A POLITICALLY CONNECTED HANDLER. I WAS TOLD BY A HANDLER THAT AKC CAME UP WITH A GRAND CHAMPIONSHIP CATEGORY BASICALLY TO KEEP THE MONEY FLOWING AND IF YOU ARE SHOWING YOUR OWN CHAMPION AGAINST A "HANDLER'S DOG" YOU MOST LIKELY WILL NOT WIN. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY AND NOT THE DOG BASED ON WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD AND EXPERIENCED. Be wary of those show breeders who "market" their dogs". Use your eyes! They will go on about a dog's parents and pedigree; but just because a dog had a certain parent does not mean it will be anything like the dog. It all boils down to what you want, not what they try to "sell you". Don't let anybody try to tell you to look for something that really isn't there.
With so much "politics" in showing I cannot really think why anybody would want to enter their dog in a dog show? Based on what I have seen and experienced with all show people it is only about the owner's ego and the money they think it will bring them in the end; not the dog. Seriously, think about what a huge waste of time it is and the fact that Tibetan Mastiffs would much rather be a home, sitting on the couch or in the yard guarding their territory! Why make them do such frivolous activities that they do not even enjoy?
Breeders who are judges? Could politics play a huge part in the AKC? CHAMPIONSHIPSHIPS AND POLITICS. Based on my experiences I believe it is all about the money and those who make it happen. I have seen images that have been photo shopped of Tibetan Mastiffs where the original photo looks nothing like the "enhanced" one. Some show people will do anything to sell their dogs by means of deception. Don't fall for the deceptive "show crowd" who are only interested in "peddling their dogs" any way they can.
TIBETAN MASTIFFS ARE HIGHLY ADDICTIVE!
Most people cannot have just one :)
Click on link for information about
Tibetan Mastiffs and Tibetan Mastiff Puppies
FOR INFORMATION ON KESANG CAMP'S SILKBO OF HO, CONTACT HIS OWNER RON BOMBLISS
INFORMATION ON PUPPY MILLS
Cut and paste the following link for a good article about AKC breeder of merit and puppy mills:
Contacting the Tibetan Mastiff Rescue might be a good idea when researching breeders. They may be able to supply you with valuable information regarding lines and health issues that come into rescue.
Tibetan Mastiffs used to be a rare breed but with so many high producing AKC show breeders and newcomers; the market has become saturated. Look through the pedigrees and you will find that they are all very similar. All my experiences with AKC show breeders have been very bad. Many people think they can make a "quick buck" off the dogs.
Beware OF PEOPLE BREEDING FOR MONEY. I DO NOT THINK IT IS GOOD FOR THE DOGS. PUPPY MILLS AND THE AKC - CUT AND PASTE FOLLOWING:
You can find many puppies all over the INTERNET for a fraction of the price of these AKC show breeders with similar pedigrees. I think smaller kennels who only produce one breed are far better. I find that the small non AKC breeders are far more ethical and honest. As stated below these are my opinions based on my experiences.
DOG SHOWS TIDBITS:)
I WAS AT A DOG SHOW THE OTHER DAY AS A SPECTATOR AND I FIND IT VERY AMUSING HOW SOME BIG BREEDERS "PUMP THEMSELVES" UP. THEY WILL GET ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND REPORT "TO THE FOLLOWERS" HOW THEIR DOGS TOOK BEST OF SHOW, OR BEST OF WINNERS, ETC. WHEN IN REALITY THEY WERE THE ONLY DOG OR BITCH ENTERED IN THEIR CATEGORY. THEN THEY WILL BRING A COUPLE OF THEIR OWN DOGS AND GUESS WHAT? THEY WIN AGAINST THEIR OWN DOG. SILLY ISN'T IT? I THINK SO? DO NOT FALL FOR THE CHARADE OF THE AKC SO CALLED "CHAMPIONSHIP" FARCE. THEY ARE REALLY NOT THE BEST DOGS.
I am not an expert nor do I claim to be. I have had to learn from experience because it seems that many of the long time breeders do not want to "mentor" new people; they only want to take advantage of them. When you are on to their game and see the lies; they will trash you immediately to cover up for themselves. Like I said; I do not trust most of them here in the U.S. Only a few.
I think UKC is a much fairer venue. AKC show people will "poo poo" the idea. Perhaps it is because they have to actually show their own dogs. Wow, what a novel idea! My experience with the AKC has been horrible and most of the time I have been confronted by very snooty and condescending people.
ARE YOU PROTECTED AS A DOG OWNER WITH AKC OR IS YOUR DOG BEING PUT AT RISK TO BE STOLEN AS A RESULT OF AKC'S REGISTRATION PROCESS?
GOOD ARTICLES ABOUT AKC
Cut and paste the following link for a good article about AKC breeder of merit and puppy mills:
I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD HORRIBLE EXPERIENCES WITH THE AKC AND IT'S SHOW PEOPLE. RENT "BEST IN SHOW". I FIND IT TO BE AN ACCURATE DEPICTION WHICH IS A VERY SAD THING INDEED. I HAVE FOUND A DOUBLE STANDARD VERY PREVALENT AMOUNG THE AKC PEOPLE. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE MY EMAILS, AND NUMBERS OF OTHERS FOR THEIR Experiences. I PREFER THE EUROPEON BREEDERS OVER ALL BUT A FEW NON AKC BREEDERS I HAVE MET HERE IN THE U.S. I APPRECIATE THEM FOR THEIR HONESTY. I BELIEVE THAT WHEN SO MUCH MONEY IS BEHIND THE DOGS, PEOPLE WILL BREED FOR THE RING; NOT HEALTH. AGAIN, MY OPINION BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES.
BASIC HEALTH TESTING
ALTHOUGH I THINK SOME PEOPLE GO OVERBOARD WITH TESTING; I RECOMMEND YOU SEE THE OFFICIAL RESULTS FOR THE "BASIC" HEALTH TESTS. BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES WITHIN THE AKC CROWD; IT SEEMS THAT HEALTH ISSUES CHANGE WEEKLY, DEPENDING ON WHO IS FRIENDS WITH WHO! ONE WEEK SOMBODY THEY DO NOT LIKE HAS A PROBLEM AND IT IS THEIR FAULT; THEY NEXT WEEK THE ONES BLAMING THE GUY GETS IT AND IT WAS CAUSED BY SOMETHING THEY COULDN'T HELP. I KNOW IT SOUNDS CRAZY, BUT THIS IS HOW THEY OPERATE. OFAs CAN BE DONE, THEN REDONE BECAUSE "THEY WEREN'T POSITIONED PROPERLY" EPILEPSY IS A WELL DISCUSSED SUBJECT. I STILL DO NOT KNOW HOW TO SEPARATE FACTS FROM B.S. THYROID, HEART, ETC, ETC. YOUR GUESS IS AS GOOD AS MINE. AGAIN, FOLLOW THE MONEY.
ADDISON'S DISEASE IN CANINES:
Addison's Disease in Dogs: Quote: "Addison's disease occurs much more frequently in dogs than in humans; in fact, it may occur one hundred times more often in the canine population. It mostly affects young to middle-aged FEMALE dogs, as the AVERAGE AGE AT diagnosis being FOUR YEARS old (although it has been found in puppies and dogs up to twelve years old). About seventy percent of dogs that are diagnosed with Addison's disease are female." Unquote SOURCE: WIKIPEDIA
BASED ON THE ARTICLE ABOVE, addison's does not usually show up until a dog reaches four years of age. According to this article; there is no genetic test for addisons disease in canines: http://www.addisondogs.com/faqs/
Quote: "Is Addison's disease genetic or inherited?
Research has shown that Addison's disease is genetic, but the exact method of inheritance is not yet known. It is thought that there may be an environmental trigger. There are ongoing research projects for several breeds, including Standard Poodles, Leonbergers, Great Danes and West Highland White Terriers, with hopes of identifying a genetic marker. However, at this time, THERE IS NO SPECIFIC TEST TO IDENTIFY THE GENE only the test to diagnose whether or not the dog’s adrenal glands are functioning properly. " UNQUOTE
FULL BROTHER AND SISTER BREEDINGS? NO PROBLEM. YOU GOT THE MONEY AND YOU CAN BREED IT; AKC WILL REGISTER IT! PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING OF RESPONSE FROM AKC ABOUT REGISTERING A FULL BROTHER SISTER BREEDING:
QUOTE: Inbreeding - The mating of two closely related dogs of the same breed.
Line breeding - The practice of mating a dog to a member of an earlier generation of the dog's bloodline.
Outcrossing: The mating of two dogs of the same breed that are otherwise virtually unrelated.
The relationship between the sire and dam of the litter has no bearing on registration eligibility. Anyone who considers breeding their dog must consider many different factors. Breeding dogs that are closely related can cause certain characteristics, both desirable and undesirable, to be present in the offspring. There is no rule that prohibits inbreeding and line breeding; this is left to the discretion of individual breeders.
To find out more information about responsible breeding, please visit our website at http://www.akc.org/breeders/resp_breeding/steps_5.cfm. UNQUOTE
PLEASE CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW FOR A GREAT ARTICLE!
FOLLOW THE MONEY > THE HANDLERS PAY A FEE TO THE AKC > THE HANDLERS GET CLIENTS WHO PAY SHOW ENTRIES > THE VENDORS COME THE SHOWS > PEOPLE STAY IN HOTELS AND EAT IN RESTAURANTS. HOW LONG DO YOU THINK PEOPLE WOULD PAY A HANDLER $100.00 + TO HANDLE THEIR DOGS IF THEY ARE NOT WINNING? I HAVE NOTICED THAT OVER IN EUROPE PEOPLE HANDLE THEIR OWN DOGS; MAKING IT A MUCH LEVEL VENUE IN MY OPINION.
AKC HANDLERS - EACH HANDLER PAYS A $250.00 TO BE REGISTERED ACCORDING TO THEIR WEBSITE: http://www.akc.org/handlers/links.cfm DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE YOU CAN WIN AGAINST THE MONEY? Here is an example of what AKC handlers may charge:
FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL. IT IS PRETTY CLEAR TO ME. AGAIN, MY OPINION BASED ON MY OBSERVATIONS AND CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE AT SHOWS
BUYING A DOG UNDER CO-OWNERSHIP IS THE WORST POSSIBLE THING YOU CAN DO BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE WITH THESE BREEDERS. MY CONTRACT WAS BREACHED FOR MERELY SPEAKING WITH SOMEONE THE BREEDER DID NOT LIKE. IF YOU COMPLAIN; TUFF LUCK. TAKE MY ADVICE AND RUN. UNDER ACCORDING TO MY CO-OWNERSHIP I WAS TO BREED TWO LITTERS, GIVE TWO PUPPIES TO THE CO-OWNER AND PAY FOR EVERYTHING, VET, SHOW AND HANDLER FEES. THAT WOULD HAVE TOTALED UP TO APPOX. $7000.00 AND I WOULD HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT COULD GO WRONG? SOUND LIKE A GOOD DEAL TO YOU? IT DID NOT TO ME.
For all of you wondering; do you get points toward an AKC "champion" status by entering in the owner handler division? Why would anybody throw money away like this? It is very insulting to me as to why AKC would assume their membership to be so dumb. This only validates my opinion that the AKC is only in it for the money. Why would anybody give them money to enter shows which have absolutely no value in terms of "championship" points.
"AKC National Owner-Handled Series
AKC National Owner-Handled Series Point Scale
Note: AKC National Owner-Handled Series points do not contribute to championship points.
At an individual show a dog earns the cumulative number of AKC National Owner-Handled Series points associated with each placement. "