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TIBETAN MASTIFFS COLORADO, TIBETAN MASTIFF PUPPY RESERVATIONS IN COLORADO
TIBETAN MASTIFF INFO AND DATA BASES?
Is the Tibetan Mastiff Information and data site accurate? I do not believe so based on my experiences with the administrator. Just another group of arrogant, condescending, AKC people who want control and status. Recently I asked them remove a couple of "test breedings" with my dogs. Test breedings are dogs that people make up in order to see what the C.O.I. of future breeding would be and are dogs that do not exist. Even though they have been notified they are still refusing to remove this "test breeding" dogs. They won't allow the legal owners of the dogs to access to the information they are posting about theirdogs! They block owner's from their protecting the privacy of their dog's information on their public site. This is very wrong in mine and other's opinions. Some owners have never posted any of their dogs on the site and Tibetan Mastiff info will not remove it after being asked to do so. What right do they have to post and block people from their dog's info on a public site? This is not what normal people do.
Normal people respect the right's of owner's and their privacy. I just want my dogs off the site. I do not understand what the big deal is?
Another person to be avoided and connected to this sight keeps a Tibetan Mastiff Data Base. I would avoid this person. I have asked for documentation on dogs posted and they have not responded. They are all part of the group that I would be staying away from. If your dog's numbers are posted; it is possible for them to be stolen. This is how supporters of AKC work. Why does this administrator not respect the privacy rights of owners? Sounds crazy to me. Not normal. Most people would say "ok no problem" but not these people! Keeping my information off tibetan mastiff info is very important to me and for this reason non of my dogs will be registered or shown. The reason is that these people actually spend countless hours scouring the internet and show brochures for information on other people's dogs. Again, not normal behavior in my mind. There is absolutely no reason other than maiciousness that I believe the administrator is doing this. My dogs should be of no interest to them. But they are just being mean.
The following links show to what measures people so obsessed with other people's dog are capable of. Dog poisened at Colorado Dog Show and Dog Poisoned at famed Dog Show. I believe that anybody so consumed with having other people's dogs information capable of doing anything. Is this what AKC show scams result in? What kind of person would poison a dog in order to win? Exactly why I want no part of AKC or people like this.
HOW YOU CAN PROTECT YOUR DOG'S DATA
The administrator of TM info wrote the following: Quote "Do what you must but I have already confirmed with my lawyer that factual data is considered public domain and that includes pedigree and genealogy information. The parents of a dog are facts open to the public domain and cannot be copyrighted. " Unquote.
As you can see she is ignoring her attorney's advice by publising dogs she has been notified do not exist and were only put on her site as "test breedings" in addition to maliously invading mine and my dog's privacy. These people are crazy and if you disagree with them; they will slander you with lies because they view you as some sort of threat in their "sick" little minds. I am not on Facebook because this is how they get their information. They really are mailicious people. Facebook is nothing more than a social media site which has proven to be nothing more than a "gossip" site. It really is a waste of time and most Tibetan Mastiff people on their act like authorities because they know how to "scam" newcomers. Best not to get your information on a site like this.
What you can do to protect your dog's privacy?
1. Do not register them with AKC. AKC publishes the sire and dam information, along with registration numbers on line for anybody to access. UKC does not. It only publishes a dog's name without sire and dam in show results.
2. Have your dog's OFA x-rays done at 23 months and check the box that states you do not want results published. If you wait until they are 24 months; you do not have to option to protect your personal data.
Taking these steps will insure that TM info has no way of getting your information from any public site; thus putting them in violation of their claim of "factual data" on her website.
IF INTERESTED IN ADOPTING A LARGE BREED DOG NEEDING A HOME; PLEASE GO TO BLUELION RESCUE . If you can no longer keep your Tibetan Mastiff or other large breed dogs contact BLUELION RESCUE.
Genghis Khan - contact me for information. People are spreading their usual malicious lies about what happened to Genghis. They have never met him and do not have the medical documentation of Genghis. For anybody that cares; he is now in a good home and happy without other Tibetan Mastiffs.
These opinions are based on my experiences with AKC show breeders.
IS AN AKC CERTIFICATE A GAUARANTEE OF QUALITY OR ACCURACY? ABSOLUTELY NOT! IMPORTANT INFORMATION WHEN RESEACHING BREEDERS
THE PURPOSE OF THIS WEBSITE IS TO TRY TO HELP OTHERS AND PREVENT THEM THEM WHAT I AND OTHERS AS "NEWCOMERS" HAD TO INDURE BY AKC SUPPORTED CORPORATE PUPPY MILLS AND SCAM ARTISTS. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO "MAKE THEIR LIVING" OFF BREEDING DOGS. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE BREEDING SEVERAL BREEDS AND PRODUCING MANY LITTERS PER YEAR. AKC LOVES THEM! THE MORE PUPPIES, THE MORE REGISTRATION REVENUE. BASED ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN - AKC IS NOT POLICING THEIR REGISTRY AND AS YOU READ ON; I WILL SHARE MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES WITH YOU. AN AKC REGISTRATION PAPER IS A "WORTHLESS PIECE OF PAPER". THEIR POLICIES ENABLE PEOPLE TO STEAL DOGS, DETERMINE OWNERSHIP, AND IGNORE COMPLAINTS THAT COULD SAVE DOGS. FOLLOW THE MONEY! LONG TIME BREEDERS ARE THE WORST BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES. WITH SO MUCH MONEY RIDING ON SHOW DOGS; THINGS GET BAD. SORT OF LIKE WASHINGTON; IT IS ALL ABOUT POWER AND MONEY AND STAYING IN CONTROL.
TIBETAN MASTIFF INFO .COM ? I PERSONALLY KNOW OF SEVERAL DOGS THEY DO NOT EXIST AND PUT THERE AS "TEST BREEDINGS" THE WOMAN WHO RUNS A TM DATA BASE DOES NOT HAVE ACCURATE DATA AND IS POSTING DOGS SHE HAS BEEN TOLD DO NOT EXIST. SHE HAS NO PROOF OR EVIDENCE AND YET THEY STILL POST FALSE INFORMATION.
Is the Tibetan Mastiff Info site accurate? Not based on my experiences with the administrator. Just another group of arrogant, condescending AKC people who want control and status. They won't even allow me access to the information they are posting about my legally owned dogs! They block owner's from their protecting the privacy of their dog's information on a public site. This is very wrong in mine and other's opinions. Some owners have never posted any of their dogs on the site and Tibetan Mastiff info will not remove it after being asked to do so. They have no right to post and block people from their dog's info on a public site; yet they do it anyway. This is not what normal people do. Normal people respect the right's of owner's and their privacy. Another person to be avoided and connected to this sight keeps a Tibetan Mastiff Data Base. I would avoid this person. I have asked for documentation on dogs posted and they have not responded. They are all part of the group that I would be staying away from. If your dog's numbers are posted; it is possible for them to be stolen.
IMPORTANT: BEFORE YOU BUY CHECK THE PEDIGREES! MOST PEDIREES IN THE U.S. ARE SIMILAR. SOME NEW BREEDERS ARE SELLING OTHER MORE EXPERIENCED TM BREEDER'S LINES AND ARE CHARGING $2000.00 +. I DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS. YOU CAN GET A BETTER DOG FOR LESS FROM BREEDERS WHO DO NOT BREED MULTIPLE BREEDS OR HAVE THE EXPENSE OF SHOWING. SMALLER KENNELS WHO DO NOT BREED FOR A LIVING ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE MORE SELECTIVE WITH THEIR BREEDING PROGRAMS. SEE ARTICLES BELOW ABOUT AKC AND SHOW DOGS. AND CERTAINLY DO NOT FALL FOR THE "CREAM GENE" PLOY!
QUESTIONS TO ASK
THE PURPOSE OF THIS WEBSITE IS TO TRY TO HELP OTHERS AND PREVENT THEM THEM WHAT I AND OTHERS AS "NEWCOMERS" HAD TO INDURE BY AKC SUPPORTED CORPORATE PUPPY MILLS AND SCAM ARTISTS. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO "MAKE THEIR LIVING" OFF BREEDING DOGS. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE BREEDING SEVERAL BREEDS AND PRODUCING MANY LITTERS PER YEAR. THEY ARE EXTREMELY GOOD AT "SELLING" AND YOU WILL THINK THEY ARE THE NICEST PEOPLE. BEWARE. ASK THEM ABOUT THEIR DOGS. HOW MANY DO THEY HAVE? HOW OLD ARE THEY? I HAVE SEEN A PATTERN OF BREEDING THEM YOUNG AND THEN "GETTING RID OF THEM". THESE DOGS HAVE USUALLY SPENT THEIR LIVES OURSIDE AND ARE NOT VERY SOCIALIZED. GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF DOGS THEY HAVE; THEY CAN'T POSSIBLY ALL BE KEPT INSIDE. AKC LOVES THEM! THE MORE PUPPIES, THE MORE REGISTRATION REVENUE. BASED ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN - AKC IS NOT POLICING THEIR REGISTRY AND AS YOU READ ON; I WILL SHARE MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES WITH YOU. AN AKC REGISTRATION PAPER IS A "WORTHLESS PIECE OF PAPER". THEIR POLICIES ENABLE PEOPLE TO STEAL DOGS, DETERMINE OWNERSHIP, AND IGNORE COMPLAINTS THAT COULD SAVE DOGS. FOLLOW THE MONEY! LONG TIME BREEDERS ARE THE WORST BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES. WITH SO MUCH MONEY RIDING ON SHOW DOGS; THINGS GET BAD. SORT OF LIKE WASHINGTON; IT IS ALL ABOUT POWER AND MONEY AND STAYING IN CONTROL.
HOW MANY LITTERS AND HOW MANY BREEDS ARE THEY PRODUCING? TIBETAN MASTIFFS REQUIRE A LOT OF SOCIALIZATION. SOCIALIZATION BEFORE AND AFTER YOU GET THEM IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN PRODUCING A GOOD, STABLE, AND CONFIDENT PUP. DOING WHAT YOU LOVE AND DOING WHAT YOU "HAVE TO DO" REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE. BREEDING FOR A LIVING AND BREEDING FOR THE "LOVE OF THE BREED" ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
Many of the breeders I have met have taught me never to trust people. I know that is a sad and I am sure there may be a few that are good. I am hoping to meet them some day. In the meantime I hope I can help to save somebody else the pain and financial losses I have felt at their hands. I have truly never met a group quite like these Tibetan Mastiff breeders, especially the ones I have dealt with personally. I rented "Best in Show" and found it to be a very accurate depiction of them. Sadly, they all flock together and switch sides when they want to "target" somebody they view as a threat or willing to "speak out" against them and cruelty to animals. You can do everything they say to do; and still be the "bad guy" because you will not play their game and be like them. Block, bash and trash . At least I am going to try with my website. Honesty always costs you friendships; but I believe it makes it a lot easier to live with yourself and the better person. Having been "around the AKC block", I can tell you that getting an AKC dog is not a guarantee of anything. Bottom line, do your research, don't listen to the "selling spiel", and buy the dog YOU LIKE, not somebody else's opinion based on a worthless AKC certificate. Read on.
Ask to see the dog's registration papers. Who owns the dog? Do they have a job? Is selling dogs what they do for a living? For your own peace of mind I believe you want to be sure the person in possession of a dog; is the person who is on their registration certificate. Personally, I would prefer to know that the owner of a dog is taking care of the dog themselves. I think that shows that they care about their dogs and if it isn't the owner; you want to be sure the dog is not stolen or some other "pyramid" scheme is not going on with the dog. My experiences with people who are breeding for a living have not been good. I feel that not only do the dogs suffer; so does the person who deals with such people. I have found that when a mortgage payment or living depends on a puppy sale; it never is good. People will do unethical things that people who are doing it as a hobby and love for the breed would not do. Money is the root of all evil.
There is no guarantee that the pedigree you receive from AKC is accurate. Some breeders do their own artificial inseminations and if they can't lie, cheat, or steal to get somebody else's dog; they can just find a dog they want and get it's semen, artificially inseminate their dog, and register the dog using one of their puppy registration papers. Believe it or not? Knowing how breeders that I have met operate; I definitely believe it. AKC does not require any kind of DNA testing or owner signature for permission to register dogs. They even register puppies from dogs that they themselves have suspended! Based on what I have seen, your AKC certificate is a WORTHLESS PIECE OF PAPER!. Some very unethical breeders I have met know all the ins and outs. One told me how they can put another chip into a dog and tell the vet where to scan for the chip; steering them clear of the original chip. This is what I think you can expect from people who "survive" off the system and know how to "work it". People like this are good at lying. It is a way of life for people like this and these are the people I choose to stay away from. Remember to ask to see the registration for the dogs in their possession and know that AKC is not policing their registry. AKC's lack of policing and policies enable people to steal dogs, and then allow those dogs to have DNA put on file; giving the consumer a false sense of security about the breeder and the dog's history. Allowing liars and thieves to register dogs against the true owner's permission. I believe that registering a dog with AKC is puts them at risk to be stolen or worse. The only way to prevent this is to sterilize puppies before they leave your possession. This is good for the consumer because they are getting better dogs for a more reasonable price and "no strings" attached. It is good tor the puppy because it is not being put at risk to be stolen by one of these unscrupulous breeders. A sterilized dog is of no value to them.
I have met a few of these breeders personally and know when people do not have "real" jobs, and dog sales are their means of survival; they have a lot of time on their hands. They email people undercover to get information about you and your dogs. That is why it is best to sterilize the puppies so they cannot get ahold of them. I have had this happen to me by some nuts :) Trust me, I have met some of them and they are literally crazy! THEY ALSO APPEAR TO BE ETHICAL. THEY claim they never will allow their dogs to be in shelters. What I believe is this leads to the demise of many dogs. Breeders who point fingers at others for placing dogs in no-kill shelters need to take a long hard look in the mirror. They would rather possibly "put a dog down", than give it a chance at life in order to "save their reputations" ? What a crock of poop. Who would think they are ethical? I have found that breeders who say these things leave many questions unanswered. I also believe It promotes the practice of "getting rid" of dogs rather than "saving them". Ask to speak with the former owner of a dog they have taken back. Ask to speak with the new owner of the dog they "claimed" to have re homed. I wonder where these dogs really go. What really happens to them? Many just disappear or some ridiculous story is given as to why they died at such young ages. These people are the masters of deception. This is how they live. Off dogs and the system. Then they bash people for trying to seek help with no kill shelters in order to save a dog; rather than putting it down. Some of these breeders are knowingly breeding aggressive lines; which generally results in a dog being put down. I would rather give a dog a chance at life; than to put them down. Sometimes people need help to place aggressive dogs. I believe it is O.K. to ask for help when the life of a dog depends on it.
When I say "show" breeders; I am speaking of the "American" Kennel Club breeders. In Europe people show their own dogs and so I am not speaking of European Clubs. I think they would be just as disgusted with the "American Kennel Club" as many people here in America are if they had the same system.
BE WARY OF BREEDERS BREEDING ONE YEAR OLD UNTESTED DOGS!
IT IS HIGHLY UNETHICAL and could be a sign of a puppy mill!
What is the purpose of breeding several breeds and multiple litters?
AND CERTAINLY DO NOT PAY $1800.00 - $6000.00 FOR A PUPPY BEFOR YOU RESEARCH THE PEDIGREES! SOME PEOPLE WILL POST A LOWER PRICE AND THEN ASK FOR MORE. BE VERY CAREFUL.
BE SURE TO ASK TO SEE THE PEDIGREE OF BOTH THE SIRE AND THE DAM. GRANDPARENTS SHOULD LIST THE KENNEL NAME OF BREEDER (as example only: KESANG CAMP MAXIMUS AND KESANG CAMP BELLA RUE) IF THE NAME OF THE DAM IN THIS INSTANCE DOES NOT LIST KESANG CAMP IN FRONT OF NAME; THIS IS VREY MISLEADING TO THE BUYER. THIS MEANS THE BREEDER CHANGED THE KENNEL NAME. WHY? THIS ALSO IS HIGHLY UNETHICAL IN MY OPINION AND VERY DECEPTIVE.
Some breeders are advertising their dogs on for $2000.00 + . The Tibetan Mastiff is no longer a rare breed based on the 10+ pages of litters advertised on Puppyfind and other sites. With such a limited gene pool, most of these puppies have similar pedigrees.
Some people have cautioned friends of mine not to reveal what you know about certain health issues because there is so much "money riding on the dogs" (i.e. AKC showing) Here are a few quotes taken from a person who has a lot of information about Tibetan Mastiffs. They asked people to share:
Quote: "So why would I even have any concern about the introduction of crossbred Chinese dogs into the Tibetan Mastiff gene pool? Simple answer: Deception. I really despise deception. And inaccuracy. I despise that, too. Breeders who crossbreed authentic Tibetan dogs with standardized breeds such as Neapolitan Mastiff, Spanish Mastiff, Chow, Newfoundland, Shar Pei – and then sell the descendants as “Tibetan Mastiffs – are deceiving their buyers. They are lying. And the other thing they are doing is corrupting the pedigree histories of all future descendants of these dogs. Everyone knows that plenty of that has gone on *within* the TM gene pool: Breeders putting the wrong names onto the registrations of pups they produce, either inadvertently because they have multiple litters on the ground at the same time and donʼt practice good kennel management. Or intentionally because pups registered as by “Champion XXX” (who is sterile) are likely to sell better than pups by his brother who is the actual sire. " and " I'm afraid that most registries are too greedy to look carefully at the validity of the pedigrees being submitted to them. Each one they reject = a financial loss to them...." Unquote.
I have seen the AKC register litters without the breeder's permission and the changing of names to bring them back into the AKC. I believe this actually encourages| enables AKC registered dog's pedigrees to be anything but accurate. Remember, follow the money. I believe the pedigree on an AKC registration is questionable at best considering the "money riding" riding on a show dog. Based on these experiences and in the words of the so-called "TM experts" you do not know if you are getting a purebred TM or even if the pedigree is correct. If anybody with a Tibetan Mastiff questions it's purity or pedigree I suggest spending under a hundred dollars Here to test what breed it is and have it's DNA put on file with the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals.
I would ask myself if somebody is willing to register a litter without permission or rename a dog in order to register the dog in another registry: what else are they willing to do in terms of breeding a dog with health or other issues because of the "MONEY RIDING" on the dog? Small time breeders with no interest in sinking lots of money in a "meaningless championships" do not have as much to lose. I have found them to be far more interested in their dogs rather than "status". FOLLOW THE MONEY (see below) If there are decent show breeders; I also believe based on my personal experiences that people who breed dogs for "a living" are not people I would ever buy dogs from again. It's all about the money to them. Breeding several litters and several breeds is a sign of a corporate puppy mill based on my experience. I do not agree with it at all. There is no way to properly care for or more importantly with a Tibetan Mastiff, socialize them if you have so many puppies. I have yet to meet them because they have all stuck together to attack "little guys" with good dogs who are cutting into their business I'm guessing.
WHAT IS A SNOW LION TIBETAN MASTIFF? BASICALLY IT IS A COLOR AND NOTHING MORE. KESANG CAMPS STRAY GENIE IS PICTURED BELOW. SHE IS NOT A SNOW LION. HER PARENTS ARE KESANG CAMPS SENGI X KESANG CAMPS NUBIA. NUBIA'S FULL SISTER IS KESANG CAMPS VIKA; NONE OF WHICH ARE CONSIDERED SNOW LION. Buyer Beware! Some people will advertise their dogs as "snow lions" just to charge a lot of money.
Personally, I have found that show status really does not mean anything except that the breeder spent a ton of money to buy a championship; thus passing the costs onto the consumer for show fees and handler fees. Some people have ACTUALLY GOTTEN A GOFUND IT ACCOUT to beg people for money to show their dogs and provide medical care to litters they have bred. This is beyond my realm of understanding? I scratch my head in wonderment as to what makes people beg for money for these sorts of things when they are so many other TRULY NEEDY CAUSES? I just don't get it. I have also formed the opinion that showing really isn't about the "better dog". It all boils down to doing your research. It is up to you to see health results, research temperaments, guarantees, breeder support, etc. and then base your decision on what your personal tastes are and not on what I consider "marketing". If you like the dog; buy it.
BASICALLY, BUY THE DOG YOU LIKE BECAUSE BEING AN AKC CHAMPION IS OF NO VALUE IN TERMS OF HEALTH, STRUCTURE, OR ANYTHING FOR THAT MATTER IN MY HUMBLE OPINION!
Recently AKC has registered dogs without the owners permission; proving that dogs can literally be stolen and AKC will register them. AKC has also recently registered dogs to breeders that they themselves have suspended. Talk about a corrupt organization! I would bet that many of the dogs registered do not have the real parents listed on their registration. AKC doesn't check anything, no DNA, no signatures of owners. You have no idea what the pedigree of the dog you are buying is real. I have seen this first hand. Breeders can artificially inseminate a female with a stolen dog's sperm and register it as another dog. Believe it!
AKC SHOW WORLD A SCAM? I THINK SO. FOLLOW THE MONEY! AKC is a JOKE. I QUESTION MANY OF THE PEDIGREES AND I BET MOST OF THEM ARE NOT ACCURATE AT ALL. I WONDER WHAT DNA TESTING WOULD REVEAL. PERHAPS THAT IS WHY THEY DO NOT REQUIRE DNA ON ALL PARENTS OF LITTERS. IT WOULD TAKE A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY OUT OF THEIR POCKETS.
MAKING THEIR OWN MAJORS - "DEEP POCKETS" AND THE SHOW WORLD - THE SHOW WORLD ILLUSION. I'm thinking Westminster is just about the money?
When a breeder brings enough of their own dogs to a show where they know there is no competition to make their own major and get a championship for their dog. SCAM! DON'T BELIEVE THEIR MARKETING TOOLS! FOLLOW THE AKC MONEY TRAIL.
GETTING THE DOGS IN FRONT OF JUDGES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY - "CAMPAIGNERS" (GREAT ARTICLE EXPLAINS ALL ABOUT "FOLLOWING THE SHOW WORLD MONEY TRAIL!)
This is when a dog goes for months on end to shows all over the country. Doesn't matter if there is any competition because the purpose is for judges all over the country to "get an eye" on the dog and it's "well connected" handler. That way, when Eukanuba or Westminster comes up; the judges will recognize the handler and most likely that dog will win. It's all about following the money!ARE YOU GETTING A BETTER DOG? BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES THE ANSWER IT NO!
Quote from article referenced above:
Quote: "We asked Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of the Humane Society of the United States: "If I'm looking to buy a dog and I see it has been AKC-inspected, AKC-registered, does that mean I'm getting a good dog?"
"Absolutely not. It really is just a piece of paper without any value for dog welfare," Pacelle told us." UNQUOTE
BEWARE OF AKC BREEDERS/JUDGES - CORPORATE PUPPY MILLS?
PEDIGREE FRAUD – AKC STUD BOOK? and the list goes on and on.
TIBETAN MASTIFF CLUBS - ARE THEY REALLY ABOUT THE BREED?
I have noticed that the several clubs and groups formed to promote "standards" for the Tibetan Mastiff are very selective of who they admit. Someone I know recently tried to join a newly formed club called the TIBETAN MASTIFFS CULB OF AMERICA? and the "public group" changed to "closed" once the request to join was sent. Groups that "supposedly" want to "educate" new people will block people that do not go along with them for no apparent reason. This is also true of a TM rare breed club. From what I understand they require two sponsors that are members of the club to join. This is so much like high school and in my opinion just an "exclusive" club that will not allow anybody in the club unless they agree with them. All these experiences with the AKC and it's members remind me of Washington; full of corruption, exclusivity, and hand greasing!. It is never about what the club or organization is about, never about the betterment of what it is they represent; rather, only about a certain group of people getting ahead while destroying all their competition and people who get in their way. It never matters what they say, or do to others; as long as they are in "control". If you have to "squash" somebody to get ahead, what do you have in the first place? Yes, they gather all their members and set out to tell lies about others in order to "knock out" the competition, keep the prices up, and retain control. It's no different than segregation years ago when you had country clubs who only "allowed" certain groups admission. Sad but it is alive in the Tibetan Mastiff community today and it is all about money and control based on what I have experienced. While I was helping watch puppies for a breeder's family who tragically died; most of these people had gotten his breeding stock and did not care what happened to the pups. While they have been busy breeding away, I have sat back and watched the ugliness. I have learned that you cannot trust high volume breeders because they are more concerned with sales and status. You learn they "put on a very good act". I just wish I had the means and the knowledge because I would have done things so much differently. The liberals in charge of these clubs preach "tolerance" when in reality; they are the most "discriminatory" of all!. Again, I must reiterate that people these people are all about "control". When you have experienced their lies, and nasty behavior, like I have; it is crystal clear that they are not about the welfare of the dogs! So you can believe whatever you want but actions speak far more than words to me and they have all "revealed" their "true colors" and intentions to me.
As the saying goes "those in glass houses should not throw stones". The funny thing is these show people are so bent on "getting' non-show breeders; they will stoop to the lowest of means to attack them. Some of the lies they spread about non-show breeders are so ridiculous I wonder how they can take the people who make them up serious. I have met a few "nut jobs" and the most amazing thing is that the people who are supposed to be professionals actually believe them. Sight unseen. Oh well, I guess they can relate to one another and discuss meds and dogs. :) What does this say about the AKC and it's show breeders in my mind? Not much based on my direct experiences. Not much at all. Don't be taken by their marketing tools. A AKC "champion" is not a better dog,in my opinion, it is only a dog with a very wealthy owner and a well known handler based on my experiences. Just look at the dog and you will see. BUYER BEWARE!
"C"lub IS FOR "CONTROL!" SHOULD YOU GO TO A LONG TIME BREEDER?
Based on my experiences with the longest standing AKC show breeders/judges; longevity is no different in dog breedings as it is in Washington. Breeders who have made their living in the AKC show ring for years and years have learned "all the ropes" and anybody who threatens their "dog business" is seen as a threat. Back to the top of this page: are you getting a better dog from an AKC breeder? Based on what I have experienced "absolutely not"! AKC makes it's money off these dogs and anybody they are just as bad as the breeders they give their "so-called breeder of merit status". Breeder of merit? hmm? Or is it based on the breeder who can drum up more registrations, etc. I know my my experience co-owning a dog here bred by a long time California breeder / judge was the biggest mistake I ever made! And now they are trying to form clubs to control other clubs. The whole purpose to me of them doing that is to trash any non-show small time breeder whom they feel is threatening their dog selling "livelihood".
RENT 'BEST IN SHOW"; IT REALLY DOES PORTRAY THE MOST RIDICULOUS CHARACTERISTICS OF "AKC" SHOW PEOPLE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT DOES NOT SHOW THE NASTY EVIL DARK SIDE :(
I have asked AKC to remove my dogs from their registry to avoid fraudulent registrations, pedigrees, and their risk of being stolen. The AKC has refused so the only choice is to spay and neuter all my AKC registered dogs. THE AKC IS LIKE THE HOTEL CALIFORNIA - as described by this quote from a famous song: quote "YOU CAN CHECK OUT ANY TIME YOU WANT BUT YOU CAN NEVER LEAVE" Unquote. I DON'T KNOW OF Anything MORE CORRUPT EXCEPT WASHINGTON D.C.!
AKC and their corporate puppy mills. Be very wary of AKC show breeders who require you to breed your puppy in exchange for one or two puppies back. This is what was expected of me with my formerly co-owned girl bred by a large volume breeder in CA. My worst experiences with Tibetan Mastiffs began early with the ownership of my girls from "High Volume" breeders in CA and one in Wi. Big and long time breeders / AKC judges will make deals like this with unsuspecting individuals to hide all the litters they are actually having each year. Many of these breeders have several breeds and breed 3,4. and 5 litters a year as their soul income. These are what I refer to as "AKC corporate puppy mills". Based on my personal experiences; I believe they are breeding for the show ring and not for the health and welfare of the breed. Ask them how many co-owned dogs they have? How many litters between them and their co-owners? How old are the dogs in their possession? How many dogs have died in their possession, at what ages and what was the cause of death? Ask to speak to their vet? (after all, they ask you a lot of questions and you deserve to know about them) How many adult dogs have they placed and do they know their status? How many litters have they produced over the years? Do they breed dogs for a living? Personally, again, based on my own experiences, I would never support an AKC show breeder.
I saw results from a dog that had failed it's health tests on OFA. Once the results were posted (after the dog was two years old) they were changed? How does this happen? According to the OFA, the x-rays are read by three professionals. If the positioning of a dog was not correct; it seems to me that one out of three "professionals" might have noticed it and sent them back to be redone??? Show breeders have so much money riding on their dogs; I believe anything is possible with enough money
TIBETAN MASTIFF PUPPIES COLORADO
We are located approximately 40 minutes southwest of Denver, Colorado in the foothills. We are a small family kennel and all of our dogs are part of our day to day family life. Each dog has their own personality and we understand that this breed is very intelligent and has a mind all it's own.
I LIKE OTHERS BELIEVE THAT AKC "CHAMPIONSHIPS" MEAN NOTHING. WITH THE RIGHT HANDLER AND ENOUGH MONEY ANY DOG CAN WIN. BE SUSPICIOUS OF THOSE WHO DO NOT SHOW THEIR OWN DOGS. THEY PROBABLY WOULD NOT WIN WITHOUT A POLITICALLY CONNECTED HANDLER. I WAS TOLD BY A HANDLER THAT AKC CAME UP WITH A GRAND CHAMPIONSHIP CATEGORY BASICALLY TO KEEP THE MONEY FLOWING AND IF YOU ARE SHOWING YOUR OWN CHAMPION AGAINST A "HANDLER'S DOG" YOU MOST LIKELY WILL NOT WIN. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY AND NOT THE DOG BASED ON WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD AND EXPERIENCED. Be wary of those show breeders who "market" their dogs". Use your eyes! They will go on about a dog's parents and pedigree; but just because a dog had a certain parent does not mean it will be anything like the dog. It all boils down to what you want, not what they try to "sell you". Don't let anybody try to tell you to look for something that really isn't there.
With so much "politics" in showing I cannot really think why anybody would want to enter their dog in a dog show? Based on what I have seen and experienced with all show people it is only about the owner's ego and the money they think it will bring them in the end; not the dog. Seriously, think about what a huge waste of time it is and the fact that Tibetan Mastiffs would much rather be a home, sitting on the couch or in the yard guarding their territory! Why make them do such frivolous activities that they do not even enjoy?
Breeders who are judges? Could politics play a huge part in the AKC? CHAMPIONSHIPSHIPS AND POLITICS. Based on my experiences I believe it is all about the money and those who make it happen. I have seen images that have been photo shopped of Tibetan Mastiffs where the original photo looks nothing like the "enhanced" one. Some show people will do anything to sell their dogs by means of deception. Don't fall for the deceptive "show crowd" who are only interested in "peddling their dogs" any way they can.
TIBETAN MASTIFFS ARE HIGHLY ADDICTIVE!
Most people cannot have just one :)
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Tibetan Mastiffs and Tibetan Mastiff Puppies
FOR INFORMATION ON KESANG CAMP'S SILKBO OF HO, CONTACT HIS OWNER RON BOMBLISS
INFORMATION ON PUPPY MILLS
Cut and paste the following link for a good article about AKC breeder of merit and puppy mills:
Contacting the Tibetan Mastiff Rescue might be a good idea when researching breeders. They may be able to supply you with valuable information regarding lines and health issues that come into rescue.
Tibetan Mastiffs used to be a rare breed but with so many high producing AKC show breeders and newcomers; the market has become saturated. Look through the pedigrees and you will find that they are all very similar. All my experiences with AKC show breeders have been very bad. Many people think they can make a "quick buck" off the dogs.
Beware OF PEOPLE BREEDING FOR MONEY. I DO NOT THINK IT IS GOOD FOR THE DOGS. PUPPY MILLS AND THE AKC - CUT AND PASTE FOLLOWING:
You can find many puppies all over the INTERNET for a fraction of the price of these AKC show breeders with similar pedigrees. I think smaller kennels who only produce one breed are far better. I find that the small non AKC breeders are far more ethical and honest. As stated below these are my opinions based on my experiences.
DOG SHOWS TIDBITS:)
I WAS AT A DOG SHOW THE OTHER DAY AS A SPECTATOR AND I FIND IT VERY AMUSING HOW SOME BIG BREEDERS "PUMP THEMSELVES" UP. THEY WILL GET ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND REPORT "TO THE FOLLOWERS" HOW THEIR DOGS TOOK BEST OF SHOW, OR BEST OF WINNERS, ETC. WHEN IN REALITY THEY WERE THE ONLY DOG OR BITCH ENTERED IN THEIR CATEGORY. THEN THEY WILL BRING A COUPLE OF THEIR OWN DOGS AND GUESS WHAT? THEY WIN AGAINST THEIR OWN DOG. SILLY ISN'T IT? I THINK SO? DO NOT FALL FOR THE CHARADE OF THE AKC SO CALLED "CHAMPIONSHIP" FARCE. THEY ARE REALLY NOT THE BEST DOGS.
I am not an expert nor do I claim to be. I have had to learn from experience because it seems that many of the long time breeders do not want to "mentor" new people; they only want to take advantage of them. When you are on to their game and see the lies; they will trash you immediately to cover up for themselves. Like I said; I do not trust most of them here in the U.S. Only a few.
I think UKC is a much fairer venue. AKC show people will "poo poo" the idea. Perhaps it is because they have to actually show their own dogs. Wow, what a novel idea! My experience with the AKC has been horrible and most of the time I have been confronted by very snooty and condescending people.
ARE YOU PROTECTED AS A DOG OWNER WITH AKC OR IS YOUR DOG BEING PUT AT RISK TO BE STOLEN AS A RESULT OF AKC'S REGISTRATION PROCESS?
GOOD ARTICLES ABOUT AKC
Cut and paste the following link for a good article about AKC breeder of merit and puppy mills:
I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD HORRIBLE EXPERIENCES WITH THE AKC AND IT'S SHOW PEOPLE. RENT "BEST IN SHOW". I FIND IT TO BE AN ACCURATE DEPICTION WHICH IS A VERY SAD THING INDEED. I HAVE FOUND A DOUBLE STANDARD VERY PREVALENT AMOUNG THE AKC PEOPLE. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE MY EMAILS, AND NUMBERS OF OTHERS FOR THEIR Experiences. I PREFER THE EUROPEON BREEDERS OVER ALL BUT A FEW NON AKC BREEDERS I HAVE MET HERE IN THE U.S. I APPRECIATE THEM FOR THEIR HONESTY. I BELIEVE THAT WHEN SO MUCH MONEY IS BEHIND THE DOGS, PEOPLE WILL BREED FOR THE RING; NOT HEALTH. AGAIN, MY OPINION BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES.
BASIC HEALTH TESTING
ALTHOUGH I THINK SOME PEOPLE GO OVERBOARD WITH TESTING; I RECOMMEND YOU SEE THE OFFICIAL RESULTS FOR THE "BASIC" HEALTH TESTS. BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES WITHIN THE AKC CROWD; IT SEEMS THAT HEALTH ISSUES CHANGE WEEKLY, DEPENDING ON WHO IS FRIENDS WITH WHO! ONE WEEK SOMBODY THEY DO NOT LIKE HAS A PROBLEM AND IT IS THEIR FAULT; THEY NEXT WEEK THE ONES BLAMING THE GUY GETS IT AND IT WAS CAUSED BY SOMETHING THEY COULDN'T HELP. I KNOW IT SOUNDS CRAZY, BUT THIS IS HOW THEY OPERATE. OFAs CAN BE DONE, THEN REDONE BECAUSE "THEY WEREN'T POSITIONED PROPERLY" EPILEPSY IS A WELL DISCUSSED SUBJECT. I STILL DO NOT KNOW HOW TO SEPARATE FACTS FROM B.S. THYROID, HEART, ETC, ETC. YOUR GUESS IS AS GOOD AS MINE. AGAIN, FOLLOW THE MONEY.
ADDISON'S DISEASE IN CANINES:
Addison's Disease in Dogs: Quote: "Addison's disease occurs much more frequently in dogs than in humans; in fact, it may occur one hundred times more often in the canine population. It mostly affects young to middle-aged FEMALE dogs, as the AVERAGE AGE AT diagnosis being FOUR YEARS old (although it has been found in puppies and dogs up to twelve years old). About seventy percent of dogs that are diagnosed with Addison's disease are female." Unquote SOURCE: WIKIPEDIA
BASED ON THE ARTICLE ABOVE, Addison's does not usually show up until a dog reaches four years of age. According to this article; there is no genetic test for addisons disease in canines: http://www.addisondogs.com/faqs/
Quote: "Is Addison's disease genetic or inherited?
Research has shown that Addison's disease is genetic, but the exact method of inheritance is not yet known. It is thought that there may be an environmental trigger. There are ongoing research projects for several breeds, including Standard Poodles, Leonbergers, Great Danes and West Highland White Terriers, with hopes of identifying a genetic marker. However, at this time, THERE IS NO SPECIFIC TEST TO IDENTIFY THE GENE only the test to diagnose whether or not the dog’s adrenal glands are functioning properly. " UNQUOTE
FULL BROTHER AND SISTER BREEDINGS? NO PROBLEM. YOU GOT THE MONEY AND YOU CAN BREED IT; AKC WILL REGISTER IT! PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING OF RESPONSE FROM AKC ABOUT REGISTERING A FULL BROTHER SISTER BREEDING:
QUOTE: Inbreeding - The mating of two closely related dogs of the same breed.
Line breeding - The practice of mating a dog to a member of an earlier generation of the dog's bloodline.
Out crossing: The mating of two dogs of the same breed that are otherwise virtually unrelated.
The relationship between the sire and dam of the litter has no bearing on registration eligibility. Anyone who considers breeding their dog must consider many different factors. Breeding dogs that are closely related can cause certain characteristics, both desirable and undesirable, to be present in the offspring. There is no rule that prohibits inbreeding and line breeding; this is left to the discretion of individual breeders.
To find out more information about responsible breeding, please visit our website at http://www.akc.org/breeders/resp_breeding/steps_5.cfm. UNQUOTE
PLEASE CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW FOR A GREAT ARTICLE!
FOLLOW THE MONEY > THE HANDLERS PAY A FEE TO THE AKC > THE HANDLERS GET CLIENTS WHO PAY SHOW ENTRIES > THE VENDORS COME THE SHOWS > PEOPLE STAY IN HOTELS AND EAT IN RESTAURANTS. HOW LONG DO YOU THINK PEOPLE WOULD PAY A HANDLER $100.00 + TO HANDLE THEIR DOGS IF THEY ARE NOT WINNING? I HAVE NOTICED THAT OVER IN EUROPE PEOPLE HANDLE THEIR OWN DOGS; MAKING IT A MUCH LEVEL VENUE IN MY OPINION.
AKC HANDLERS - EACH HANDLER PAYS A $250.00 TO BE REGISTERED ACCORDING TO THEIR WEBSITE: http://www.akc.org/handlers/links.cfm DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE YOU CAN WIN AGAINST THE MONEY? Here is an example of what AKC handlers may charge:
FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL. IT IS PRETTY CLEAR TO ME. AGAIN, MY OPINION BASED ON MY OBSERVATIONS AND CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE AT SHOWS
BUYING A DOG UNDER CO-OWNERSHIP IS THE WORST POSSIBLE THING YOU CAN DO BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE WITH THESE BREEDERS. MY CONTRACT WAS BREACHED FOR MERELY SPEAKING WITH SOMEONE THE BREEDER DID NOT LIKE. IF YOU COMPLAIN; TUFF LUCK. TAKE MY ADVICE AND RUN. UNDER ACCORDING TO MY CO-OWNERSHIP I WAS TO BREED TWO LITTERS, GIVE TWO PUPPIES TO THE CO-OWNER AND PAY FOR EVERYTHING, VET, SHOW AND HANDLER FEES. THAT WOULD HAVE TOTALED UP TO APPOX. $7000.00 AND I WOULD HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT COULD GO WRONG? SOUND LIKE A GOOD DEAL TO YOU? IT DID NOT TO ME.
For all of you wondering; do you get points toward an AKC "champion" status by entering in the owner handler division? Why would anybody throw money away like this? It is very insulting to me as to why AKC would assume their membership to be so dumb. This only validates my opinion that the AKC is only in it for the money. Why would anybody give them money to enter shows which have absolutely no value in terms of "championship" points.
"AKC National Owner-Handled Series
AKC National Owner-Handled Series Point Scale
Note: AKC National Owner-Handled Series points do not contribute to championship points.
At an individual show a dog earns the cumulative number of AKC National Owner-Handled Series points associated with each placement. "